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I have discussed abandoned credits and found TITOs on the GWAE podcast in the past. Typically, if I find a few credits on a machine, I will cash out the ticket. If I find a significant amount on a machine, I will cash out the ticket and wait around for 15 minutes to see if anyone comes back to claim it.
Abandoned credits/tickets & whether it’s finders keepers or property of the casino/state is constantly debated among many gamblers. There doesn’t appear to be any uniformed rules & it really depends from casino to casino, state to state. My approach is to simply not take them. As an advantage player I never want to give a casino a reason to throw me out. If I see a small amount of abandoned credits on a machine I’ll cash it out & set it aside. If it’s a good sized chunk I’ll notify a slot attendant & have them deal with it.
Some casinos have a relaxed attitude towards credit hustlers. I don’t know if he’s still getting away with it in 2019, but here’s a New York Times article from 2012 about a guy who was doing pretty decent buzzing around Resorts World Casino in New York & taking abandoned credits. Other casinos however will show you the door & ban you for the day. Others when they catch you will ban you for life.
I knew a hustler several years ago who was making really good money at a particular casino. This casino had a ton of advantage slot machines & he didn’t have much competition for plays as it was a casino that was in a fairly remote location. He dominated the place.
This slot hustler had a habit of always cashing out abandoned credits on machines while making the rounds. He wasn’t particularly slick about it either. He didn’t sit on the machine, put a ticket/bill in the machine, check the rules of the game or things of a similar nature. You know just in case he would get caught to pull the plausible deniability card. No, he would always walk directly to the machine, push the cashout button, collect & walk away. He had been warned by the casino before & other hustlers would advise him to stop doing it, especially if he was going to do it like that.
One day I get a call from the hustler. He tells me he’s been lifetime banned from that particular casino. I ask why but he doesn’t want to get into the details. I respect his wishes & don’t press any further. It wasn’t until much later that I found out that the reason he was banned was because he took an abandoned ticket worth 32 cents. This hustler blew his chance to continue making thousands upon thousands of dollars for 32 cents.
Some casinos depending on the jurisdiction will get the law involved to actually prosecute you. Colorado is one state that takes the prosecution route. Here and here are a couple of links to articles written in 2017 about how they deal with credit hustlers. Do I think Colorado’s approach to credit hustlers extreme? Definitely, & it looks as if there’s a complete lack of common sense as well as a waste of resources to treat people like criminals for what in many cases appears to be taking minuscule amounts of money. In some of these cases it even appears that people are doing it unknowingly. If someone cashes out a $500 when a player is looking the other way sure. But for $2? Give me a break.
Now could you take abandoned credits left on a machine & get away with it? More than likely. Lots of people do it all the time & nothing happens to them. We’re in the business of gambling but with so much money to be made from the advantage slot machines, it’s a bet I’m not willing to make.
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Does it make any legal difference if you add your own money to a machine that has abandoned credits and just start playing?
Does it make any legal difference if you add your own money to a machine that has abandoned credits and just start playing?
No. It may be a technique YOU use so as to decrease the chances of being caught. You won't look good in handcuffs, Axel....
Does it make any legal difference if you add your own money to a machine that has abandoned credits and just start playing?
Your claim would have to be you didn't realize there were credits there, wasn't paying attention, thought you hit something. Cannot be any other story than that, you'd have to play dumb, never admit there were credits there to begin with, say the machine was calling you, etc.Of course you would be lying, but nobody can prove it. You never know, maybe you're schizophrenic and not really lying, you realized there were credits after you played, and your brain rearranged the events.
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FYI, I don't screw with abandoned credits, just the devil's advocate.
No. It may be a technique YOU use so as to decrease the chances of being caught. You won't look good in handcuffs, Axel....
Are you sure? If so, it sounds like this could lead to many innocent people getting f***ed. I am usually aware if there are credits left behind on a machine that I'm about to play. Usually, I cash out the ticket and lay it on top of the machine, but that's only to give the person a chance to come back and claim it, and because I don't want to risk having a problem with the casino. There have been times I have put even amounts of money in a machine and made all even bets, but when I cashed out there was an odd amount on the ticket. I can only assume there were credits on the machine when I started. I can imagine this happens accidentally many times per day, its sick to think anyone would get a fine and a criminal record for this.Does it make any legal difference if you add your own money to a machine that has abandoned credits and just start playing?
I think it would because it would offer a reasonable plausible deniability and it would be hard for them to prove that your intent was to play someone elses abandoned credits. It would not help if you found a printed TITO and added money to that and played it.
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I think it would because it would offer a reasonable plausible deniability and it would be hard for them to prove that your intent was to play someone elses abandoned credits. It would not help if you found a printed TITO and added money to that and played it.
It'd certainly help you, assuming you went the whole plausible deniability route. But either way, it would still be illegal. It's just that it would be harder to prove your intent and that it wasn't an accident. Either way, if they want to prosecute you for it, I remember an old saying, the ancient Hawaiians used to say, 'Ignorance of the law'....actually I don't remember the saying, but essentially it's your responsibility to know the law, and ignorance of the law is no excuse.
He has successfully proven in court found money cases such as listed including one settlement for $750,000 when a chicago casino forced an elderly woman to walk back to her nursing home because they caught her cashing out a nickel (no not exageration a tito for five cents) and refused to let her board the return bus because it was on their property
Bob has proven these cases are common law universally and casinos are in fact the criminals
If you make a purchase in a department store and forget to take your change does the store have the right to claim it? Or are they supposed to put to the side to await your return?
If you drop money in a department store and another patron finds it does store security have the right to claim it belongs to them and backroom you?
Casinos are no different than any other private business.
These types of cases seem to need to be relitigated in every state. Look at the Maryland Live CC case where the police man was informed by the counter CC was not illegal as proven in Nevada and NJ. Cops response? 'This is Maryland and we have different laws'
Really? Stupid! Settlement out of court. Maryland casinos learning the hard way
Looks like Colorado casinos next
Only casinos allowed to break laws are Indian casinos which have basically been given license to act any way they please
The article said a bunch of people are getting f****d for this in Coladorado. Originally I thought it was going to be some hippy article about how 'homeless people scrounging pennies off slot machines are people too' or something. From what I remember, some guy got like a 1 year ban from all CO casinos, plus a huge fine, and community service and/or some other stuff for playing on a machine that had $2 on it. I think it also listed the number of people getting 'caught' for this sorta thing, and it was some crazy number, definitely not in-line with something like 'only homeless people doing this // getting caught', but anyone who did it on accident sort of thing.
It'd certainly help you, assuming you went the whole plausible deniability route. But either way, it would still be illegal. It's just that it would be harder to prove your intent and that it wasn't an accident. Either way, if they want to prosecute you for it, I remember an old saying, the ancient Hawaiians used to say, 'Ignorance of the law'....actually I don't remember the saying, but essentially it's your responsibility to know the law, and ignorance of the law is no excuse.
You may not be Ignorant of the law, yet you might unknowingly break it. I realize there are many situations where it shouldn't matter if you are unknowingly breaking a law, but in this instance, I think it should be the casino's reasonability to make sure people can clearly see someone has left credits(Lock it out with a flashing screen saying, call attendant) and a warning should be prominently displayed on each machine.Here is link to final court decision
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-6th-circuit/1101830.html
Yes, tribal. That's the way all tribal casinos work in Arizona.
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